tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post2189668734224301684..comments2024-01-19T11:05:43.355-05:00Comments on Polly-Vous Francais?: What!? You Forgot to Credit My Blog!?Polly-Vous Francaishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12667479743723002691noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-38309108373567585252009-09-11T08:57:22.286-04:002009-09-11T08:57:22.286-04:00james, please stop putting advertisements for temp...james, please stop putting advertisements for templates in my comments section. merci.Polly-Vous Francaishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12667479743723002691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-39663461446666861502009-09-11T08:23:55.845-04:002009-09-11T08:23:55.845-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-62011276972632381392009-09-08T05:02:15.133-04:002009-09-08T05:02:15.133-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-72723350792948887962009-09-05T11:43:58.093-04:002009-09-05T11:43:58.093-04:00@ steve scottsdale: Even if the original was "...@ steve scottsdale: Even if the original was "free," it IS theft for D.O. to use Polly's work without proper credit and (if Polly demands it) compensation. It's called "intellectual property," which may be different from material property, but no less legally protected. I say go after them!Elliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03713234226177628824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-48173548847916505552009-09-04T04:11:55.413-04:002009-09-04T04:11:55.413-04:00eh bien !
Allez Polly, courage et obstination !eh bien ! <br />Allez Polly, courage et obstination !Cécile Qd9https://www.blogger.com/profile/09611480301441422086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-8509246330319736652009-09-02T06:58:20.993-04:002009-09-02T06:58:20.993-04:00Awful! This makes me not want to go anywhere near ...Awful! This makes me not want to go anywhere near that book. Fight it!Meg Zimbeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06568252558936104265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-33022082414700437312009-09-01T22:37:18.082-04:002009-09-01T22:37:18.082-04:00Polly, the issue here is "fair use." Wr...Polly, the issue here is "fair use." Writers are allowed to use snippets of other work without permission to do so, although even then an attribution is a minimum courtesy. What this author did is illegal. The publisher presumably had someone copyedit the ms., and apparently they did not realize that an entire page of copy had been lifted from you or they would have required the author to get your written permission for its use. The publisher is liable for this error. You can hire an intellectual property attorney or you can call the book's editor directly (not too hard: call the publishing house, ask who the editor of that title is) and complain. I suggest you ask for a "permissions fee" for the use of your text. If they agree to pay it, not only will you at least get a fee for the use of your writing but the sum will come out of any royalties the author sees from this printing. You've gotten a lot of great advice here so I hope you can sort this out to your satisfaction.<br /><br />yours for a more honest publishing environment,<br />Gloria<br />(who's published multiple books and obtained multiple permissions in the process)GloriaBramehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01258275871036208651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-66914761849268104942009-09-01T07:33:17.988-04:002009-09-01T07:33:17.988-04:00I am sorry you were plagiarised by Debra Ollivier,...I am sorry you were plagiarised by Debra Ollivier, it wouldn't have taken anything from her book to credit you and makes no sense. I hope the publishers make amends to you. By the way, how did you find my blog? Am new to blogging and not quite sure how things work...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-7302262460093840232009-08-31T21:20:55.600-04:002009-08-31T21:20:55.600-04:00Every blogger's worst nightmare (or at least o...Every blogger's worst nightmare (or at least one of them). I hope this is made right in the smoothest way possible. You are right to be angry... any of us would be. When will people learn that--just because something is posted online--doesn't make it free-for-the-taking? Geesh.M.E. Greenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12827537847914190142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-50946465446951014542009-08-31T17:49:31.905-04:002009-08-31T17:49:31.905-04:00That is just awful! I hope you get some sort of pr...That is just awful! I hope you get some sort of proper resolution from this!Chris https://www.blogger.com/profile/06692286828174690835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-48302217439359843072009-08-31T16:17:29.049-04:002009-08-31T16:17:29.049-04:00Well I'm fighting mad for you! Just today I t...Well I'm fighting mad for you! Just today I told a friend that I was sure that there are folks out there downloading mine and others' photos from our blogs. I added, "Would you walk into an art gallery and lift a painting off the wall and walk out without paying? NO! Well why do people think they can politely lift our photos or our words without paying or at least asking permission. Don't you give up! I"ll check back and see how things are progressing with G.P. !<br />VVirginiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01152464973355194995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-34138337071049229092009-08-31T11:59:46.132-04:002009-08-31T11:59:46.132-04:00you have every right to demand to be paid for your...you have every right to demand to be paid for your material... my recommendation is to write the publisher informing them of their copyright violation, request what you would like done (i.e., remove the material, attribute it to you, payment), and state that if the issue is not resolved amicably w/in a specified period of time (30 days is typical) that you will be seeking legal counsel.<br /><br />best of luck.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13126506458515481156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-42216973609704067822009-08-30T18:13:21.953-04:002009-08-30T18:13:21.953-04:00I think you should press forward with the publishe...I think you should press forward with the publisher as patoo2 said. Give them the opportunity; fix the problem, if they don't, see if there is any legal recourse.Mohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07210665770578899511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-58346910774241530542009-08-30T00:47:04.113-04:002009-08-30T00:47:04.113-04:00And if you do need counsel, I can refer you to an ...And if you do need counsel, I can refer you to an intellectual property attorney.Meghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10169483419224695771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-51734986744575217082009-08-29T21:53:32.082-04:002009-08-29T21:53:32.082-04:00Polly - I work in publishing, and this glaring omi...Polly - I work in publishing, and this glaring omission could be easily corrected for a possible future reprint. It won't make up for the books already printed, but at least you could get future credit. I'd press the case directly with the publisher, and not just the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-34291442966829809692009-08-29T21:34:49.953-04:002009-08-29T21:34:49.953-04:00Then this evening I had a probably unfounded epiph...Then this evening I had a probably unfounded epiphany. I said to myself, "What if she did this on purpose, a stunt to stir up an internet/blog kerfuffle to add to the publicity and promotion of her book?"<br /><br />"Nahh," I answered back to meself. Too vain a thought.Polly-Vous Francaishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12667479743723002691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-90966548685990699092009-08-29T19:56:40.624-04:002009-08-29T19:56:40.624-04:00Jake and pct,
I agree. Copyright infringement co...Jake and pct,<br /><br />I agree. Copyright infringement code is very specific and applies to the actual work. So if another online or other source cribs your (our) fabulous ideas, too bad -- we're out of luck. But the code does definitely protect the specific content of the work that we have created, including text and art work/photos. Here's the boring-but-fascinating legal code.<br /><br />http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.pdf<br /><br />I have a feeling that it will take a few shake-downs such as Maureen Dowd's (and maybe this one?!?) before it's recognized that you can't just lift anything you find on-line without attributing the author. On-line, that recognition usually amounts to a short intro and a simple link. However, if web content is reproduced in a print-only publication, it requires permission and attribution, at least as I understand the law. <br /><br />I'm no lawyer, though. (But I was a legal proofreader for 2 years in my youth! Does that count?)Polly-Vous Francaishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12667479743723002691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-67581002661278853442009-08-29T19:15:56.147-04:002009-08-29T19:15:56.147-04:00Polly,
At first I was thinking that "pct&qu...Polly,<br /> <br />At first I was thinking that "pct" is right -- "it's a resource issue."<br /><br />But then I was reminded of the incident in May, when NYT columnist Maureen Dowd copied, verbatim, a substantial passage by Josh Marshall, published in his blog, Talking Points Memo -- a blog with power similar to Huffington's. See: <br />http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/thejoshuablog/2009/05/ny-times-maureen-dowd-plagiari.php <br /><br />So -- maybe you are right, perhaps this is a "blogging issue." Maybe some feel it’s OK to simply copy from blogs without attribution. Or maybe, as in your case, they feel that if they acknowledge, generally, that they took it from "a blog," they feel that's sufficient. It's obviously not sufficient, but until popular culture respects the work found on blogs equally with that in traditional publications, we may see more incidents like this.<br /> <br />This reminds me that, although not on the scale that you've suffered, we've also seen some online material that strikes us as suspiciously similar to our own writing on our own blog. But as a practical matter, what can be done?<br /> <br />-- Jake Dear ( http://parisandbeyondinfrance.blogspot.com/ )Jake Dearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05243424840788435371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-10381241374304325822009-08-28T23:53:11.307-04:002009-08-28T23:53:11.307-04:00Are you sure a "blogging issue" isn'...Are you sure a "blogging issue" isn't really a resources issue repackaged? Had the article appeared in Condé Nast Traveler, you would have had Si Newhouse's lawyers running interference for you. When it appears in Polly-Vous Francais, you don't.<br />Had it been Arianna Huffington's blog post, do you think she would have dared use it without attribution or permission?pcthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08219262007442441923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-21695397006756803802009-08-28T20:07:45.570-04:002009-08-28T20:07:45.570-04:00This is really a blogging issue.
If I had publi...This is really a blogging issue. <br /><br />If I had published that article in a magazine, newspaper, or book, would anyone think it was acceptable for her to use it without attribution or permission?Polly-Vous Francaishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12667479743723002691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-80330308466747788572009-08-28T18:43:58.357-04:002009-08-28T18:43:58.357-04:00Polly,
It must be infuriating to see your wonderf...Polly,<br /><br />It must be infuriating to see your wonderful words unattributed in Ms. Ollivier's book. As your other commenters have said, there is a distinction between plagiarism, an ethical breach for which you can be expelled from school, and copyright violation, an actual tort for which you can be sued. Unfortunately, legal redress is an expensive and iffy proposition, so calling out the author in your blog post might be the best revenge.<br /><br />Be sure to write the publisher and ask to be credited in future editions, though.pcthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08219262007442441923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-21237788159942308112009-08-28T16:28:29.377-04:002009-08-28T16:28:29.377-04:00You may have inadvertently given her permission to...You may have inadvertently given her permission to use your work when she contacted you about not providing your name as the source of the blog. So as infuriating as it may be, there probably isn't much that can be done legally. But it should, at least, encourage you to get your book on the shelves asap. Perhaps you could even include this little incident as a warning to others.Starmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12386841450183061541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-14820272434707658202009-08-28T16:16:22.507-04:002009-08-28T16:16:22.507-04:00I don't blame you for being upset; that is out...I don't blame you for being upset; that is outright thievery (whether she claims the words as her own or not) and even worse because she knows who she "borrowed" it from!BJ Lantzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06296882635691439804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-42525847709358144392009-08-28T13:26:53.716-04:002009-08-28T13:26:53.716-04:00Un grand merci to everyone for your support! I can...Un grand merci to everyone for your support! I can't even re-read this post because it makes me hopping mad.<br /><br />It's not plagiarism per se because she didn't claim the words as her own. Anyway, it's probably best for me not to comment too much right now.<br /><br />But as my sister pointed out, what would a publishing house do if the tables were turned? It would be T-R-O-U-B-L-E from the get-go.<br /><br />Stay tuned!Polly-Vous Francaishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12667479743723002691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28165993.post-12749321564884940552009-08-28T11:30:47.607-04:002009-08-28T11:30:47.607-04:00Polly, you're my favorite Paris blogger. I was...Polly, you're my favorite Paris blogger. I was saddened to learn that you were moving back to States.<br /><br />But despite an ego-blow, please keep this in perspective. The incident is the consequence of the high speed, broadband world we now live in; filled with deadlines. She didn't pass it off as her own so it wasn't plagiarism. The original was available free so it wasn't theft. Failure to credit you was a breach of etiquette. To her credit, she belatedly discovered the error & tried to make amends but after the train left the station, there wasn't much she could do.<br /><br />You're at the point where you have to ask yourself, is this incident worth fretting and obsessing over, knowing that every negative thought carries with it a self-imposed squirt of stomach acid that you don't need.<br /><br />My advice (which is worth what you're paying for it) is to move on and continue to do good things in your life.Steve Scottsdalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06244343577603804717noreply@blogger.com